Discussion Question on “Poured Out”

Discussion Questions:
Why are many Christians prone to object to the worship of others when it is “different” than their own, even if God is pleased?

What should our reaction be when our pure, heart-felt worship offends others?

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15 Comments for “Discussion Question on “Poured Out””

  1. These questions are inspired by the sermon points that were posted on this blog and the link to the message by Daryl Hayes at http://keithlancaster.com/2011/04/worship-sermon-poured-out-by-daryl-hayes/ Read John 12:1-13 and see the sermon points in reverse order at http://keithlancaster.com/category/praise-harmony-worship/worship/

  2. they closed minded,
    go worship somewhere else, where they arent closed minded.

  3. #1) It seems like change is feared by most. Unfortunately, too many folks “know” they have it right compared to everyone else.

    #2) If it is scriptural worship, there is no need to alter your worship to bend to the preferences of others. Family (church) comes first, so others are invited to join in with your family as they worship if they wish.

    • Great points, Tim. It seems to be a common trait in human nature to be suspicious of change, even before we have analyzed it.
      As to the second question, in the context of those Scriptural examples, it would seem to be the wrong choice for the worshipers to stop their worship in view of not offending anyone.

  4. Why should I be concerned about the attidues of others during worship? Do I come to worship to be seen and heard by men or by God. Worship is not gor God’s benefit. It is commanded because it is for our benefit and spiritual edification. I cannot possibly worship in Spirity and in Truth, if I am worried about how others might perceive my act of worship. I am there to break the bread and drink the wine and purge my very being of its gross. To be consumed with pleasing others makes it all for naught.

  5. Most Brethren forget that each congregation is free under Christ to arrange matters as they see fit and as they understand the requirements of God. That being said, it is not right to force others to see your point of view, but in Christian love we are to be patient with one another. The more we fuss and fight the less the world will think of us and Christ will be put to shame.

    NIB Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
    NIB Romans 12:18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

  6. I agree, Andy. With all our travels, we come across far too many church families who have split over selfish and obstinate battles, which are opposite of the Spirit of Christ.

  7. I think the question is a bit loaded – it assumes that the objections are narrow-minded and unwilling to adapt to change. I feel the tug and pull within our churches today and I see the concerns of both sides. If I see someone lift their hands or drop to their knees or let tears flow during corporate worship, I am thankful that their heart is soft and turned to God. If there’s a “herd mentality” within the audience, I have to question if we are allowing ourselves to be swayed by trends in the religious world. Are we sacrificing true, pure God-centered worship in order to ride a wave of emotion, which is all about us? Is our worship dead if we don’t let it manifest itself in outward displays of emotionalism? (I was admonished by a Pentecostal-leaning family member who said if I didn’t raise my hands I couldn’t truly worship – we agreed to disagree on that point.) I don’t know what the answers are, but I hope we lovingly seek to find ways that allow each one to respond to God with their hearts, souls and minds, and yet maintain orderly worship services, which is also scriptural and commanded.

    • Very good points to consider. I wish we could seek an atmosphere where unique, individual responses (to God in worship) are not automatically viewed with suspicion. I also don’t want to dictate a setting where everyone is compelled to respond exactly alike.

  8. Maybe not exactly on topic, but, our congregation has lots of women participating in the worship assembly…making announcements, reading scripture, etc., but when I asked a woman who is gifted as a singer & music teacher to take a turn leading our song service, a member objected. Now, my dilema is…do I honor the one objecting member? or proceed with using a member who’s gifted in this ministry. Any others had to deal with this situation?

  9. My first inclination is to differentiate between someone “grumbling” (don’t like it) and “stumbling” (offended as in conscience). Worship is more than the act–what we do. N. American Christians forget the waters of individualism that we swim in that moves us away from the nature of Christian community that is gospel centered. When will we learn to converse rather than throw Scripture at each other that supports our position. As if, this is the way Scripture was intended by God for his people. There is freedom in Christ and so much depends on attitude/

    • Excellent point, Grady. I can remember times when I “threw Scripture” at people to defend my position, instead of approaching people in a godly and loving manner. Thanks for sharing, brother.

  10. Michael Fancher

    One of the primary ways we serve God is by serving each other. We need to keep in mind that when we come together as the church our actions are not only directed to God, but they are to build up, teach, correct, and encourage our brothers and sisters as well. Is it really pleasing to God to isolate ourselves from our brothers and sisters because of our differences? I say we should strive for unity as much as is possible within the bounds of God’s will.

  11. The problem is, that as we ‘allow’ innovation into worship services we open the door to digression. The foundation must always be, “What says the Lord?” Is what we are doing scriptural? Can we justify it from the Bible? If not, then it must stay outside the door, or our worship become vain.

    I cannot worship in situations where the song leading is ‘an entertainment’ in itself. There may well be many who can enjoy that, but it offends me, so I avoid it. This ‘entertainment’ style song leading is beginning to creep (slither would be a better word) into the UK.

    Brethren, is there a reason why we cannot simply do Bible things in Bible ways? Now where have I heard the before?

    • Thank you so much for taking time to share your thoughts. I understand your point, Pete. I also understand that deciding what is entertaining is very subjective and varies from person to person. For example, I can say with confidence that the most effective preachers I have seen are very “entertaining” in their delivery, even though they are delivering God’s Word. Their use of enthusiasm, humor and energy are simple tools to accentuate their delivery of God’s message with passion. I feel sorry for those who believe that passion is wrong (in preaching and leading worship). Preaching or leading worship for the purpose of drawing attention to oneself is unacceptable. But to see a song leader sing, “Come we that love the Lord and let our joys be known” when his body language totally contradicts that message is horrific. My heart breaks to see so many Christians act as if their worship should be as depressing as a funeral dirge.

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